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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:36 am    Post subject: I support the Death Penalty: Reply with quote

Even though I concider myself to be very spiritual and a live and let live kind of person, I am a very strong supporter of the death penalty.

Now, to be honest, I also want to so reforms in the administration of the Death Penalty, and do not want to see 'wide brush stroke law' as a way to use it or loose it.

I am looking forward to intelligent debate on this subject...
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 7:11 am    Post subject: Re: I support the Death Penalty: Reply with quote

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Even though I concider myself to be very spiritual and a live and let live kind of person, I am a very strong supporter of the death penalty.

Now, to be honest, I also want to so reforms in the administration of the Death Penalty, and do not want to see 'wide brush stroke law' as a way to use it or loose it.

I am looking forward to intelligent debate on this subject...


Well, I don't necessarily consider myself all that spiritual, but I pretty much agree with your position so I don't know how much debating I can do with you.

I DO believe the Death Penalty is not universally inforced and I DO believe there should be a Federal Standard for imposing it so that a death case in one state would be a death case in the neighboring (or any for that matter) state.

Perhaps more uniformity would be obtained if a death sentence required a review of something like a Super Judicial Review Committee of experienced trial judges BEFORE it is imposed. There should certainly be judicial discretion. For example, a woman who walks in on a child molester abusing her child and kills him/her would be unlikely to repeat offend, whereas the guy who kills during the commission of a robbery will almost assuredly re-offend if not stopped "dead" -- pardon the pun.

Also, personally, I believe if it could be APPROPRIATELY administered, I would support the death penalty in place of life in prison for "Three Time Losers".

I remember walking in an office at work one day (a number of years ago) into the midst of an argument over "Prison Over-crowding". Engaged in the argument were One Staunch Liberal and One Staunch Conservative. I calmly announced that I could solve the over crowded prisons very simply and inexpensively. Naturally, they wanted to know how and I said I'd simply check the records of all current prisoners, find all of them who had clearly proven they could not function in society without committing crimes, line them up against the wall and ... Ready, Aim, Fire!

Actually, I said it as much for shock value as anything, but it's not VERY far from the way I feel.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: I support the Death Penalty: Reply with quote

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Tracian wrote:
Even though I concider myself to be very spiritual and a live and let live kind of person, I am a very strong supporter of the death penalty.

Now, to be honest, I also want to so reforms in the administration of the Death Penalty, and do not want to see 'wide brush stroke law' as a way to use it or loose it.

I am looking forward to intelligent debate on this subject...


Well, I don't necessarily consider myself all that spiritual, but I pretty much agree with your position so I don't know how much debating I can do with you.

I DO believe the Death Penalty is not universally inforced and I DO believe there should be a Federal Standard for imposing it so that a death case in one state would be a death case in the neighboring (or any for that matter) state.

Perhaps more uniformity would be obtained if a death sentence required a review of something like a Super Judicial Review Committee of experienced trial judges BEFORE it is imposed. There should certainly be judicial discretion. For example, a woman who walks in on a child molester abusing her child and kills him/her would be unlikely to repeat offend, whereas the guy who kills during the commission of a robbery will almost assuredly re-offend if not stopped "dead" -- pardon the pun.

Also, personally, I believe if it could be APPROPRIATELY administered, I would support the death penalty in place of life in prison for "Three Time Losers".

I remember walking in an office at work one day (a number of years ago) into the midst of an argument over "Prison Over-crowding". Engaged in the argument were One Staunch Liberal and One Staunch Conservative. I calmly announced that I could solve the over crowded prisons very simply and inexpensively. Naturally, they wanted to know how and I said I'd simply check the records of all current prisoners, find all of them who had clearly proven they could not function in society without committing crimes, line them up against the wall and ... Ready, Aim, Fire!

Actually, I said it as much for shock value as anything, but it's not VERY far from the way I feel.


I would have loved to see the looks on their faces when you made such and announcement...which IMO solves the problem.

Your point about the mother (parent) walking in, or even finding out her child was molested, and committing a crime is not, IMO the same as grabbing someone off the street for kicks, or murder in commission of a robbery, or some sicko serial killer...

Great points, and welcome aboard smiling
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to be FOR the death penalty...and then I started getting mixed feelings about it.

I'm certain ya'll know about Kerry Max Cook. He even has a play out called "The Exonerated". He holds the record for being on death row the longest. 22 years I believe.

He was found guilty of a murder, and the thing that sealed his fate was a so called fingerprint expert stating that he could date when a fingerprint was made. (That cannot be done btw.)

His fingerprint was on the door of the murder victim, because he delivered food there one night...months prior to her murder.

As forensics have gotten better, they were able to do a DNA test on him, and it proved he was not guilty.

From that point on, (and other times when people have been falsely accused, myself included), I cannot agree with the death penalty UNLESS it is a case such as Jeffrey Dahmer, BTK, etc.

IMO of course.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both Filly and Angel make wonderful points. While I support the DP I do not want anyone executed if there is a doubt (reasonable) that they are guilty.

Joe Smith for instance...is a no brainer, Richard Allen Davis, Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, all of which I could stick with the needle myself, among many others.

Executing the wrong person is not going to make society safer, rather it just makes it harder when the real sickos are convicted--because let's face it, even those that support the DP completely do not want to see anyone executed unless they are guilty.
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is the rub as they say.

I believe that when the evidence is completely overwhelming, such as in the Joseph Smith case, there is no doubt.

I guess each case when the ultimate punishment is to be sentenced, has to be scrutinized..and when such as in this case, even have the creature on video, this punishment is more than just.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do believe in the death penalty. I believe it should be federally regulated, one country, one standard. I'm also a firm believer in the gallows, much cheaper on the tax payers. I know a lot of people consider hanging inhumane but I believe anyone capable of such heinous and violent crimes have given up their right to be treated humanely. As for minors and the death penalty I'm not sure where I stand but I also believe that this should also be federally regulated.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not support the death penalty. I do not care how bad the crime, I think all can change and be reborn into a better place. Human life is too precious to waste.

I do however, support a life sentence. The key word is "life" sentence which means for the duration of their life.

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