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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Scientology Talk Here Reply with quote

"Scientology is the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life. The Scientology religion comprises a body of knowledge extending from certain fundamental truths. "

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http://www.scientology.org/home.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're a MUCH better person than I, snowy.  My Scientology thread was entitled, "Tom Cruise is a Freakin' Moron."
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You're a MUCH better person than I, snowy.  My Scientology thread was entitled, "Tom Cruise is a Freakin' Moron."


He IS!  I couldn't agree more!  
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Scientology considered Christian? Just wondering why it's been moved to this section of the board....

I do appreciate the consolidation...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DurhamDawg wrote:
Is Scientology considered Christian? Just wondering why it's been moved to this section of the board....

I do appreciate the consolidation...


I don't see any connection between one and the other.    The only reference I ever read about Jesus in Scientology lit (and I've mostly avoided it, so I'm not claiming to be an expert) was that, even though Jesus was "fairly evolved" for his time, he certainly hadn't reached "clear" (I think that's their highest level.)

But maybe I didn't read that in their literature.  Maybe Tom Cruise said that.  Freakin' moron.

Anyhow, doesn't Scientology trace its roots to an intergalactic tyrant named Xenu?  

It's not that I'm too lazy to google Scientology; it's just that I have this (only partly) irrational fear that if one clicks on a link  to a Scientology website, the "Church" will become privy to all of one's personal information.  That fear comes from my one experience almost four decades ago.  My friend and I were 12 and enjoying our first taste of being "grown up":  our parents now allowed us to take the subway to Manhattan unaccompanied by an adult.  We'd wander all over the borough.    On 5th Avenue, in midtown, we were stopped by a handsome young man who asked us if we wanted to  take a kind of IQ test.  It's been so many years I can't remember if that really was how he referred to it, but the hook must have been pretty big, because we fell for it.  We were an odd combination of naivte and street-smarts, and we'd never have gone with him if it were not for the fact that he'd rounded up a good 20 or so other people, mostly adults.  What I remember is that we were herded into a pretty nice room, and we sat around a big table taking this "test," which from what I remember wasn't much different than those multiple-choice thingies you'll find in "women's magazines," e.g., "What Kind of Friend are You?"  Before any one of us marks could even finish the "test," this guy came in and gathered them all up saying we could finish them when we "came back."   Then he went into this rap about Scientology.  Until that moment, none of us had a clue that any of this had to do with Scientology, which we'd heard of but knew nothing about.  I don't remember very much of what he said, except that if we stuck with the process we would eventually be "clear."  Although the money part of it was spoken of in very vague terms, it was quite obvious, even to a little pre-teen, that big bucks would be involved on the way to "clear."  

My friend and I got out of there as fast as we could, mainly by convincing them we had no money on us at the time.  And money was what they wanted, right then and there.  We wouldn't even shell out the two or three bucks for the Dianetics book.  But they did get ONE thing from me:  my address and phone number.

And when I tell you these people were relentless, even back then, believe me.  They sent me mail and called me on the phone for years.  I just could not convince them that I was not interested.  Even after I'd moved out of my parents' place, they'd call and try to get my mom to give them my new address and phone number.  She finally told them I was dead.  They probably didn't believe her, but my mom, bless her dear departed soul, was a pretty good actress, so maybe they figured she might be telling the truth and they didn't want to cause her any more pain by calling to ask for me.  More likely they didn't give a flying phuque about her pain; they just came to the conclusion that she was too tough a nut to crack.

I was afraid to tell my mom about my experience at the time it happened, because I knew she'd smack me upside my head for walking into a strange building like that. Even worse, she might forbid me from the wonders of Manhattan until I was at least 45.   When they would call, they'd never identify themselves to my mom as being from the Church of Scientology -- they were too clever to do that -- but rather the automaton who was making the calls that day would identify herself (it was always a female, another bit of cleverness when calling a 12 year old girl) by her own first name.  So if my mom answered the phone she'd think nothing of it.  I don't think I let her in on what these people were until I was close to moving out, and even then I didn't tell her the when and how; I let her think their harassment had just begun.  

I wonder what would have happened if I HAD told her, that very day.  She might have called the cops (after giving me one upside my head), as I'm sure she'd have considered their tactics illegal to use on kids.  At very least, she'd have given them hell the first time they called in an attempt to lure me back there.  And when it came to giving hell, General Patton had nothing on Mama Rose.

Sorry to go on so long, but as I think back on all of this, and remember that it was 40 years ago, it scares me.  They are so much more powerful now.  I wonder if they still scam children.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My stbx husband had a similar experience with the Mormons -- he made the mistake of joining up with them briefly, many years ago, in a fit of I don't know what, and they relentlessly hounded him for some 20 years afterwards, tracking him down even after several changes of residence and moves to different states, and showing up in well-dressed pairs on our doorstep repeatedly trying to bring him back into the fold. They wouldn't give up in spite of repeated heartfelt assertions on his part that he was no longer interested. They said he had to submit his request to be left alone IN WRITING to some national headquarters or other, which he eventually did, and I keep a copy of that letter tucked in my Bible just in case they ever come back again....
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why a group -- religious, political. social, whatever -- would go to such lengths to grab someone up (or back) who is so obviously not interested.

Although I do think the reasons are very different for Mormons and Scientologists.  With Mormons, I think it's religious fervor (which doesn't make it right).  With Scientologists, I think it has much more to do with the bucks.

I could be wrong, of course.  I often am.
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My theory is that it's harder for them to find new suckers than it is to just badger the old ones....
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DurhamDawg wrote:
My theory is that it's harder for them to find new suckers than it is to just badger the old ones....


Touché.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhh... touchy subject for me.  my husband is Mormon.  I was a mormon for a few years.  We did the temple wedding too
there are so many zealots in the mormon church.  mostly the converts end up being more zealous than those who are born into it.

the missionaries (young men age 18 - 21) are the ones who go door to door.  they get lists from the ward they are in at the time.  (missionaries never do their mission in their home town, they are sent away to new lands).  so I guess they go looking for what they term "inactives" and see if they can get them back into the fold.  pain in the ass for those who just want to be left alone, I know. and yeah, you gotta write to salt lake basically to have your name removed from the membership.  

the mormon church has two very nice things going for it:  one is the geneaology centers around the world and in the US.  if you ever wanted to dig up your family tree, the mormon geneaology centers are the place to go.  they have records like you wouldn't believe.

the other thing is their aid program.  when there are national disasters, the church quietly gives tons and tons of aid in the form of food mostly.  you never hear about that in the news.  they have food storage and cannery's all across the US.  husband and I actually volunteered at the cannery in Kensington, MD one year... we helped can pears.  but the other thing is that they are HUGE on teaching emergency preparedness and food storage.  in these strange times we live in, I draw on that knowlege to keep us well stocked.  

so yeah... the mormons have their weird (and sometimes frustrating) ways.  but it's one church you'll never hear me bash... I've seen the good, and it balances out the bad in some ways.   and if you met my husband, you'd call me a liar for he is FAR from what most people picture a mormon as.    



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