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bangoskank
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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: |
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there is a lie...first off the terminology makes it a lie...an infidel is someone without a religion...well christians and jews have a religion...
but ok...lets go further... |
However, according to Islam, a non-muslim is an infidel as well.
Source www.dictionary.com
(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.
It should be noted that christians consider non-christians infidels as well. It was a nice try, on your part, though.
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I have yet to see proof concerning that all these are the act of muslim terrorists..in fact...many things i see show otherwise...oh and come on Jerusalem? |
There is overwhelming evidence that the attacks of 9/11 were done by Islamic extremists, in particular Al Queda and the Taliban. For you to say otherwise places the burden of evidence upon you, as it's established facted that 9/11 WTC attacks were a result of Islamic Extremism.
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Islamofascism...an undefinable word that is nothing more then a bushism... |
It's as much of a word as "bushism" is a word. We know what it means, you know what it means, you just can't seem to find fault with people of your religion. It seems that you can't accept the fact that people take your religion too far, far enough to invoke, cause and condone violence.
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When has a child been used? |
Adolescents are being trained all of the time by Al Queda.
| Quote: | | and the suicide bombings...these are done by people who don't have access to weapons and are defending their lands (i.e. Palestine, iraq, etc...it is the poor who do this...) and it isn't about sexual bliss...subhanALLAH... |
I don't think it's about sexual bliss, HOWEVER, you've just defended the use of suicide bombings (a terrorist act).
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going with her definition of infidel...that is bull...we are taught to live in peace with christians and jews...but look who is attacking us... |
You are also taught to kill christians and jews, according to other interpretations of Islam, the ones that happen to be the terrorists.
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Look at Jordan...there are just as many christians and jews there as there are muslims...Rarely is there any type of attack there... |
Yes, and that's the case here in the USA. However, Islamic extremism isn't rampant in these societies, people are more secular. Secularism keeps the peace. Don't worry, christians would be just as bad if they weren't secular as well.. history tells us this.
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catch a clue...it hasn't been about religion for a long time...its been about policy... |
Get a clue, people use religion all of the phuqing time to encourage other people to do stupid shit. Only a religious freak will strap on a bomb to martyr themselves.
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muzz
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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I am sorry...but i find your language offensive...i would have been more then happy to reply to your comments until you decided to use the language of idiots ...
really...your cussing was uncalled for... |
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bangoskank
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Language, eh?
Whatever excuse floats your boat of lies works, I guess.
Perhaps you shouldn't act so much like a victim, especially since you are the one that started with the insults. "Catch a clue."
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AvengingAngel
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: |
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AvengingAngel
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| muzz wrote: |
there is a lie...first off the terminology makes it a lie...an infidel is someone without a religion...well christians and jews have a religion...
but ok...lets go further...
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Your definition is not the same as others. I've heard Islamic fanatics say that George Bush is an infidel. George Bush is a Christian fanatic, so I don't think that 'infidel' means 'without religion'.
| muzz wrote: | I have yet to see proof concerning that all these are the act of muslim terrorists..in fact...many things i see show otherwise...oh and come on Jerusalem? subhanALLAH that is a war...just because everyone wants to excuse it away as something else...that is an out and out war in Israel/Palestine.
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I'm glad to hear you admit that there are such things as 'muslim terrorists'.
I can't prove to you that these disgusting acts of terrorism were done by Islamic terrorists. At some point you just have to use some common sense.
| muzz wrote: | | Islamofascism...an undefinable word that is nothing more then a bushism... |
It is not undefinable. It is used to describe those extremist Muslims who wish to make the entire planet Islamic.
| muzz wrote: | | Look at Jordan...there are just as many christians and jews there as there are muslims...Rarely is there any type of attack there... |
According to the CIA, the religious makeup of Jordan is "Sunni Muslim 92%, Christian 6% (majority Greek Orthodox, but some Greek and Roman Catholics, Syrian Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, and Protestant denominations), other 2% (several small Shi'a Muslim and Druze populations) (2001 est.)".
Thus your statement that "there are just as many christians and jews there as there are muslims" is false.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/jo.html |
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muzz
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| bangoskank wrote: | Language, eh?
Whatever excuse floats your boat of lies works, I guess.
Perhaps you shouldn't act so much like a victim, especially since you are the one that started with the insults. "Catch a clue." |
that wasn't meant as an insult...it was a suggestin...at any rate...i did not cuss at you...
Now until you learn manners...no need for you to post to me... |
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muzz
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| AvengingAngel wrote: | | muzz wrote: |
<snip> the suicide bombings...these are done by people who don't have access to weapons and are defending their lands (i.e. Palestine, iraq, etc...it is the poor who do this...) ..<snip>
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I've seen some suicide bombings that were "legitimate" military tactics (e.g. the Japanese 'kamikaze' attacks on US ships during World War II), but the suicide bombings I've seen in the ME have been against civilian targets. Civilians have been deliberately targeted.
Do you support some moron blowing himself up on a downtown bus, muzz? |
In the US ...NO...
and even in Israel...i don't really support it...i understand why it happens...but i still don't support it...suicide is haram...a suicide bombing therefore would be haram too... |
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muzz
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Your definition is not the same as others. I've heard Islamic fanatics say that George Bush is an infidel. George Bush is a Christian fanatic, so I don't think that 'infidel' means 'without religion'. |
Infidel- A person who does not believe in any particular religious system
http://www.carm.org/atheism/terms.htm
(not a muslim nor really a christian site)
| Quote: | I'm glad to hear you admit that there are such things as 'muslim terrorists'.
I can't prove to you that these disgusting acts of terrorism were done by Islamic terrorists. At some point you just have to use some common sense. |
a muslim terrorist is a muslim who commits an act of terror...just as there are christian terrorists...
both belong to their religion...both take their religion out of context and use it as an excuse to kill others...it does not mean their religion promotes it..nor is it the fault of their religion.
| Quote: | | It is not undefinable. It is used to describe those extremist Muslims who wish to make the entire planet Islamic. |
i have heard about 10 different supposed definitions...it is not a real word...and one never used until bush thought he was smart for half a second.
| Quote: | According to the CIA, the religious makeup of Jordan is "Sunni Muslim 92%, Christian 6% (majority Greek Orthodox, but some Greek and Roman Catholics, Syrian Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, and Protestant denominations), other 2% (several small Shi'a Muslim and Druze populations) (2001 est.)".
Thus your statement that "there are just as many christians and jews there as there are muslims" is false. |
Have you ever been to Jordan? |
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AvengingAngel
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:32 am Post subject: |
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bangoskank
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Actually, carm is a christian site. Also, dictionary.com is a much, MUCH more useful site when looking for a definition of words used by people. INFIDEL, according to Islam, means a non-muslim. You can try to squirm out of that definition all you want, but many muslims actually use the term to mean non-muslim.
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a muslim terrorist is a muslim who commits an act of terror...just as there are christian terrorists... |
No, it's a terrorist that commits acts of terror in the name of, or because of their religious beliefs. Yes, there are christian terrorists, they tend to bomb abortion clinics and beat up homosexuals.
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both belong to their religion...both take their religion out of context and use it as an excuse to kill others...it does not mean their religion promotes it..nor is it the fault of their religion. |
I don't agree. I think both are simply people who have more faith and are willing to uphold their faiths more than the rest. Both the bible and the quran call for acts of violence against people not of their religions. Both call for death for certain "evil" acts. The "extremists" are violent, but only because they really, really have faith.
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Have you ever been to Jordan? |
I've never been to China, but I know the government is communist. Try to dispute posts with facts instead of comparing experiences.
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