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AvengingAngel
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Tracian
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being a skeptic is fine....but sometimes skeptics get just as abusive and 'fundie' as a hard core religious fanatic.
As far as religious belief, your correct; however, I draw the line, IMO when a religious belief offers things other than compassion and understanding.
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bangoskank
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Actually, I believe that everyone has the ability to have such a gift; some embrace it, as they accept it at a young age;however, as we grow older society teaches us that such things are 'superpowers' and not possible. |
You can believe this all you want. However, you really have no basis of evidence or facts to support your beliefs. I have to wonder, if everyone has superpowers and simply don't use them because we are taught they don't exist, why aren't children tossing cars around with telekinetic ease?
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I do believe if someone refines their gifts and then obscenely profits off of it, since the spirit of the person is no longer pure, it tends to mess up the purity of the gift. |
Is that the same as losing the ability? Is it your opinion that only good guys have superpowers?
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bangoskank
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[quote="Tracian"] | bangoskank wrote: |
Well Banko, several times doctors have sent cancer patients home to die, then they go to someplace like the Cancer Institutes of America and get cured, and they use a combination of holistic and modern medical treatments. |
There is absolutely no medical or scientific evidence to support the notion that alt-meds have cured anyone of anything.
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bangoskank
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| Tracian wrote: | | being a skeptic is fine....but sometimes skeptics get just as abusive and 'fundie' as a hard core religious fanatic. |
Have any examples?
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Tracian
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[quote="bangoskank"] | Tracian wrote: | | bangoskank wrote: |
Well Banko, several times doctors have sent cancer patients home to die, then they go to someplace like the Cancer Institutes of America and get cured, and they use a combination of holistic and modern medical treatments. |
There is absolutely no medical or scientific evidence to support the notion that alt-meds have cured anyone of anything. |
Tell that to the survivors 
I admire your intelligence Banko, but contact the Cancer Institutes of America....it may surprise you.
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Tracian
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| bangoskank wrote: | | Tracian wrote: | | being a skeptic is fine....but sometimes skeptics get just as abusive and 'fundie' as a hard core religious fanatic. |
Have any examples? |
*taking a deep breath* When those that do not have a spiritual belief mock or claim that those that do are somewhat less intelligent, or are lacking in some intellectual way, is no different, IMO than a fundie Christian telling a 'non-believer' that they are going to burn in hell.
I know many people of different beliefs (religious and non-religious, spiritual and non-spiritual), and so far, none of any belief corner the market on absolute intelligence.
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Tracian
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| bangoskank wrote: | | Tracian wrote: |
Actually, I believe that everyone has the ability to have such a gift; some embrace it, as they accept it at a young age;however, as we grow older society teaches us that such things are 'superpowers' and not possible. |
You can believe this all you want. However, you really have no basis of evidence or facts to support your beliefs. I have to wonder, if everyone has superpowers and simply don't use them because we are taught they don't exist, why aren't children tossing cars around with telekinetic ease?
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I do believe if someone refines their gifts and then obscenely profits off of it, since the spirit of the person is no longer pure, it tends to mess up the purity of the gift. |
Is that the same as losing the ability? Is it your opinion that only good guys have superpowers? |
At one time there was no basis or evidence to prove the world was round, it was a theory and an act of faith in that belief.
As much as I admire Randi James, he offers 'tests' but ignores what he cannot explain, as many that cannot support with evidence.
Tell me, what would the world be, without those that 'believed' in something that was not the 'popular' belief?
You as and Atheist, and me as a Wiccan, know something about living outside the box of what is acceptable...as well as many freethinkers, and religious people of the last few centuries.
The only difference between us is that I am willing to admit that there are things in this universe that today cannot be 'proved' but are 'possible' perhaps 100 years from now, those things will be proved, or perhaps it will be proved there is nothing to prove...but in the end most of the great accomplishments of humans are those that took the chance to shake up what the popular belief at the time was...Darwin, Galileo, where would we be today if they did not have the courage to offer opinions even if at the time it was not 'provable'
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janicelee
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| Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: |
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If I may add a couple of quick points. Faith is based on the concept that you don't need proof so arguing a lack of scientific evidence to a true believer of whatever faith is probably not going to get you very far.
Thre are any number of things we can't explain by science. The fact that cancer will sometimes go into remission for no apparent reason is one of them. My mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer in the early 1960's. She lived more than 20 years after being told she had only a few months to live. She always claimed that she didn't die because she was too damn busy raising children to have time to die. She also told me that she would spend a few minutes every morning imagiing her tumor getting smaller and smaller til it disappeared completely. Which in fact is what happened. Did her imagining the tumor shrinking help her go into remission? I don't know. I do know that if I were ever in her situation while I would certainly take advantage of everything medical science could do, I would also spend some time visualizing the tumor shrinking.
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