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Latertrader new

Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 1
Location: New England
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| MotherofFive wrote: | I do not support the death penalty. I do not care how bad the crime, I think all can change and be reborn into a better place. Human life is too precious to waste.
I do however, support a life sentence. The key word is "life" sentence which means for the duration of their life.
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Whoever this person is, I agree with her, 100%. The key word is "life" sentence.
Here's why.
I think that to offer the reward of the peace and tranquility of death to any people is irrational. These are people, first of all, people who truly should come to grips with suffering while alive. Some will, some won't, it is not up to us to know who will or who won't. And it CERTAINLY isn't up to us to decide for them on what day they should die.
The "life sentence" is more rational and humane, for both the living and the victims of their crimes.
I am sorry, but emotion so often overwhelms us when we feel like powerless victims vicariously defending ourselves against heartless cruel killers and crazed humans who act like animals . For those of us who are supposed to live by the word of a God, to waste our time wishing someone else dead, is not a part of the plan that God had in mind, IMO! We are here to service his name and spirit, not to defile it with some equally horrific acts of systemmatic life-taking.
That's my opinion and I stick with it.
Then there is the possibility that we make errors....how can we live with our selves, our society, (we know society is prone to errors, prone to make horrible mistakes in policy, in practice, in execution of the laws...look at human slavery, look at the Nazi's, look at Bush and Hurricane Katrina, ), how can we just "write it off" as a mistake? We cannot! But in allowing and condoning death penalties, we actually DO "write off" the possibilities of society's mistakes.... claiming that it is OK for society to take an innocent life, as long as some guilty people die....that's simply not logicl, nor is it reflective of the cannons of western society's law, where we presume people innocent before proven guilty. To allow the death penalty is to allow our society the freedom to make mistakes and never pay the consequences. I cannot accept that.
Imprisoning people, dehumanizing them for the rest of their naturally given days on this Earth, making them know that their crime is unforgivable, that is the only moral statement we can make, the rest is lust and fantasy, and greed, and desire for petty revenge, in my opinion. We all should be above that. We all should embrace our values for all time, not simply for those who look like act like we act.
We are on this planet in this lifetime for only a few moments. Let's not spend our time here hypocritically justifying and rationalizing the taking of lives by some of us, (society),l while condemning and berating others, (criminals), who mercilessly do the same to so-called "innocent" victims.
That's all I have to say. My first post, but I feel very strongly about this, as do most of the civilized nations on this planet which have also outlawed the death penalty. Only the US and a few other less respected nations allow government sponsored murder. |
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Llinn new and improved

Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 10
Location: south jersey
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: to kill or not to kill |
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I think you have to boil it down to whether or not it is ever "right" to kill another person.
I don't believe it is.
Sometimes, however, I am willing to bear the karmic or social guilt of doing something not right in order to prevent or ameliorate a greater evil.
I'm not saying two wrongs can make a right, I am saying that I can and have done something wrong knowingly and with full awareness in order to prevent what I saw as a greater harm. I had an abortion, after having had measles while 6 weeeks pregnant. I would do it again.
Regardless of what they have done before, I cannot see how killing a convicted criminal will prevent future harm, unless there is no way to segregate them from other prisoners whom they might harm.
Thus the only reason to kill a convicted criminal is to take revenge for what harm he has already done.
I don't think, personally, that revenge is a good thing, nor do I think it is good for our society.
I do however think prison should be an exceptionally unpleasant experience. I think white collar crime should be punished as if it were a physical assault on another person and the number of counts should be taken by the number of people harmed (Milliken and Keating would have never gotten out of jail--nor would Lay and Abramoff)
I have to vote no for the death penalty. |
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Tracian Site Admin


Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 109
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: |
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when I think of the DP I think of:
Polly Klass
Carlie Brucia
Both of which are just the start of a list of children murdered by creatures that have NO REGARD for life, and forgive me, I have no regard for those creatures that ended their lives, and on a spiritual plane, is willing to accept whatever consequences may result from that belief. _________________ Merry Meet, Merry Part, Merry Meet Again
Bright Blessings,
Tracian
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Ross new


Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 9
Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: Re: I support the Death Penalty: |
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| Tracian wrote: | Even though I concider myself to be very spiritual and a live and let live kind of person, I am a very strong supporter of the death penalty.
Now, to be honest, I also want to so reforms in the administration of the Death Penalty, and do not want to see 'wide brush stroke law' as a way to use it or loose it.
I am looking forward to intelligent debate on this subject... |
Yes i support the death penalty & like Tracian dont want that wde brush.If the crime is such that the DP is given so be it , but dont go this LWOP.  |
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bangoskank star constellation


Joined: 12 May 2006 Posts: 43
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Death Penalty is the ultimate deterrence. No person who has been executed has ever committed another crime afterwards. _________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." – Voltaire. |
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Anja new


Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 1
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: |
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lol, how odd I find myself on this thread for my first post, well besides the introduction...
I am against the death penalty, why, because I think that the state should not have the right to take a life, not even that of a killer. I do believe that we as a society stoop down to the level of the murderer when we take the life of an offender.
Another strong reason for me is the murderers family... being in the anti death penalty movement, I have met mothers of inmates, and saw their suffering... especially after the execution date was set and moved closer... - I know one could say "but what about the family of the victim".. and I also do care about them, but I think that in the end it will not help them, their loved ones do not come back with an execution... unfortunately, if that was the case, I would be all pro. So their loved one does not come back, but for another family the suffering then starts once their loved one is executed. I am however a very strong supporter of LWOP...
Anja
I do not know if that is allowed, but if any of you would like to discuss that topic further and specific cases in general, I am the owner of a death penalty forum, open for both sides of the debate, and Tracian is my wonderful adminstrator there : http://deathpenalty3.proboards103.com/index.cgi _________________ http://deathpenalty3.proboards103.com/index.cgi |
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DurhamDawg Sliver STAR


Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 225
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| I think this board is a victim of the death penalty! |
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ReasoningFilly Bronze Star


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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| DurhamDawg wrote: | | I think this board is a victim of the death penalty! |
Well, the appeals process seems to have worked!!!!!!  _________________ Man is certainly stark mad: He cannot make a flea, yet he makes gods by the dozens. - Montaigne |
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